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		<title>Comment on Movie Review: Law Abiding citizen by Bryce Downey</title>
		<link>http://religiouspolitic.com/17/movie-review-law-abiding-citizen/comment-page-1/#comment-453</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce Downey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 19:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only I had a quarter for each time I came here! Incredible read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only I had a quarter for each time I came here! Incredible read.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On public health care (part 1) by Tobias</title>
		<link>http://religiouspolitic.com/16/on-public-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 03:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Abraham: No need to be snippy, I just don&#039;t understand the sentence &quot;And if you’re going to say...&quot; It&#039;s a little long for my frazzled mind to grasp clearly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Abraham: No need to be snippy, I just don&#8217;t understand the sentence &#8220;And if you’re going to say&#8230;&#8221; It&#8217;s a little long for my frazzled mind to grasp clearly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On public health care (part 1) by Abraham Serafino</title>
		<link>http://religiouspolitic.com/16/on-public-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Abraham Serafino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toby, my statements in that first paragraph were perfectly clear. And no I won&#039;t try to restate them in a way that is easier for you to refute logically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toby, my statements in that first paragraph were perfectly clear. And no I won&#8217;t try to restate them in a way that is easier for you to refute logically.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On public health care (part 1) by Tobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sarah: I&#039;m not sure what you mean about separating &quot;individual responsibility against the law applicable to all&quot;, so let me just clarify by saying: The whole of the Law of God is entirely applicable to all people, both those in government authority and those in &quot;normal&quot; life. Some of the Law also talks about what is to happen to those who disobey the Law, such as a certain restitution for theft, etc. The &quot;government&quot;, whatever form it takes, is just as bound to &lt;i&gt;every&lt;/i&gt; part of the Law as the common person, so the government may not steal or murder, for example. (Note that, if the government had Biblical authority to lay a tax, it would not be stealing.)

Re: your second point:  It is not the governments role to care for the sick and needy, it is the individual Christians duty. Yes, God can use the government to provide for those that Christians have failed to provide for, but that does not make it &quot;right&quot; or &quot;okay&quot; for the government to be doing that. The poor are a big issue, and the Bible lays out some clear directions for how we are to deal with them, something I will cover more in the third post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sarah: I&#8217;m not sure what you mean about separating &#8220;individual responsibility against the law applicable to all&#8221;, so let me just clarify by saying: The whole of the Law of God is entirely applicable to all people, both those in government authority and those in &#8220;normal&#8221; life. Some of the Law also talks about what is to happen to those who disobey the Law, such as a certain restitution for theft, etc. The &#8220;government&#8221;, whatever form it takes, is just as bound to <i>every</i> part of the Law as the common person, so the government may not steal or murder, for example. (Note that, if the government had Biblical authority to lay a tax, it would not be stealing.)</p>
<p>Re: your second point:  It is not the governments role to care for the sick and needy, it is the individual Christians duty. Yes, God can use the government to provide for those that Christians have failed to provide for, but that does not make it &#8220;right&#8221; or &#8220;okay&#8221; for the government to be doing that. The poor are a big issue, and the Bible lays out some clear directions for how we are to deal with them, something I will cover more in the third post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On public health care (part 1) by Sarah Lowe</title>
		<link>http://religiouspolitic.com/16/on-public-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Lowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 00:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Toby,

So couple of things: first, I think it&#039;s dangerous to separate individual responsibility against the law applicable to all. I&#039;m not a Hebrew scholar, but there is a possibility that the &#039;you&#039; used there could be referring to Israel as a whole in the law.

Secondly, if the church was filing this void then there would be no need for the government to do so. Since there is a need why wouldn&#039;t God use this to provide for the needs of those He loves? He used a donkey to speak to Balaam, why not the democrats to speak to the church? I am not saying this is a tithing issue, I am instead saying this may be God&#039;s way of providing for those who we have been neglecting.

One thing I have been learning lately is God&#039;s heart for the poor. A staggering 54% of homeless people that seek medical attention (in Canada where we have universal health care) have a mental illness as opposed to 5% of the general population (Canwest News Service). People who cannot hold a job, who have no one to look after them or who leave a home situation that is so bad the streets are better. According to CBS News the majority of people this is assisting are actually our age, college students who get kicked off their parents insurance and cannot afford their own. 

Another thing: we may have to wait longer in Canada (not by much - I got an ultrasound same day non emergency) but people do not lose their homes, go bankrupt, or have to ignore serious medical conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Toby,</p>
<p>So couple of things: first, I think it&#8217;s dangerous to separate individual responsibility against the law applicable to all. I&#8217;m not a Hebrew scholar, but there is a possibility that the &#8216;you&#8217; used there could be referring to Israel as a whole in the law.</p>
<p>Secondly, if the church was filing this void then there would be no need for the government to do so. Since there is a need why wouldn&#8217;t God use this to provide for the needs of those He loves? He used a donkey to speak to Balaam, why not the democrats to speak to the church? I am not saying this is a tithing issue, I am instead saying this may be God&#8217;s way of providing for those who we have been neglecting.</p>
<p>One thing I have been learning lately is God&#8217;s heart for the poor. A staggering 54% of homeless people that seek medical attention (in Canada where we have universal health care) have a mental illness as opposed to 5% of the general population (Canwest News Service). People who cannot hold a job, who have no one to look after them or who leave a home situation that is so bad the streets are better. According to CBS News the majority of people this is assisting are actually our age, college students who get kicked off their parents insurance and cannot afford their own. </p>
<p>Another thing: we may have to wait longer in Canada (not by much &#8211; I got an ultrasound same day non emergency) but people do not lose their homes, go bankrupt, or have to ignore serious medical conditions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On public health care (part 1) by Tobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Abraham: I guess I&#039;m not sure what you mean in your first paragraph. Hopefully the points you bring up will be addressed in the next post, but if you could clarify them here a bit more I will be sure to address them specifically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Abraham: I guess I&#8217;m not sure what you mean in your first paragraph. Hopefully the points you bring up will be addressed in the next post, but if you could clarify them here a bit more I will be sure to address them specifically.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On public health care (part 1) by Abraham Serafino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abraham Serafino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was quite prepared for you to use the &#039;personal&#039; aspect of this passage, but you have absolutely no ammunition here. After all, it is not for us to decide which passages are supposed to have personal application in the life of the individual, right? Aren&#039;t we asking how scripture applies to governments? Well does it or doesn&#039;t it? And if you&#039;re going to say, &quot;some parts do, and some parts don&#039;t,&quot; then you&#039;re on very shaky ground indeed, for if there are any parts of scripture at all that are not applicable to national governments, then the laws laid out in Deuteronomy, along with repeated specific statements about how those laws are intended for Jewish people to follow *after* they reach the promised land, are among them.

Of course you&#039;re right though - these passages are meant to be instructional to the individual. In fact, this is the purpose of scripture. You&#039;re absolutely right about what David said: &quot;The law of the Lord is perfect... converting the soul.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was quite prepared for you to use the &#8216;personal&#8217; aspect of this passage, but you have absolutely no ammunition here. After all, it is not for us to decide which passages are supposed to have personal application in the life of the individual, right? Aren&#8217;t we asking how scripture applies to governments? Well does it or doesn&#8217;t it? And if you&#8217;re going to say, &#8220;some parts do, and some parts don&#8217;t,&#8221; then you&#8217;re on very shaky ground indeed, for if there are any parts of scripture at all that are not applicable to national governments, then the laws laid out in Deuteronomy, along with repeated specific statements about how those laws are intended for Jewish people to follow *after* they reach the promised land, are among them.</p>
<p>Of course you&#8217;re right though &#8211; these passages are meant to be instructional to the individual. In fact, this is the purpose of scripture. You&#8217;re absolutely right about what David said: &#8220;The law of the Lord is perfect&#8230; converting the soul.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on On public health care (part 1) by Tobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Abraham: I do desire the Bible to be treated, at least in some sense of the term, as a legal document. David says &quot;the Law of the Lord is perfect&quot;, and &quot;how I love Your Law&quot;, and so on. The Law is a good law to follow.

When you say &quot;...there are clear precedents for &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;the law&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; to take what belongs to me...&quot;, I would like to know what you mean by that. I agree that the Law commands us, as individuals, to do certain things which help the poor. However, it seems that you mean that those verses give the &lt;i&gt;civil government&lt;/i&gt; authority to take what belongs to me.

However, just because &quot;the Law&quot; commands me to do something, does not necessarily mean the government has authority to do that thing: E.g., the Law commands me to give my tithe, does the government now have authority to take my money and give it to the church? So just because the Law commands me to do certain things for the poor (excellent verses, by the way) does not automatically give the government any authority to force me to do those things.

In fact, both of the verses you mentioned ( Leviticus 25:35, Exodus 23:11) are quite clearly a &lt;i&gt;personal&lt;/i&gt; responsibility: &quot;&lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; shall help him&quot;, and &quot;&lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; shall let it rest&quot;, etc. (emphasis added)

Anyway, in the next section I hope to examine more thoroughly the arguments that Christians have made in support of government run health care, and hold those views up to the Bible for examination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Abraham: I do desire the Bible to be treated, at least in some sense of the term, as a legal document. David says &#8220;the Law of the Lord is perfect&#8221;, and &#8220;how I love Your Law&#8221;, and so on. The Law is a good law to follow.</p>
<p>When you say &#8220;&#8230;there are clear precedents for <i><b>the law</b></i> to take what belongs to me&#8230;&#8221;, I would like to know what you mean by that. I agree that the Law commands us, as individuals, to do certain things which help the poor. However, it seems that you mean that those verses give the <i>civil government</i> authority to take what belongs to me.</p>
<p>However, just because &#8220;the Law&#8221; commands me to do something, does not necessarily mean the government has authority to do that thing: E.g., the Law commands me to give my tithe, does the government now have authority to take my money and give it to the church? So just because the Law commands me to do certain things for the poor (excellent verses, by the way) does not automatically give the government any authority to force me to do those things.</p>
<p>In fact, both of the verses you mentioned ( Leviticus 25:35, Exodus 23:11) are quite clearly a <i>personal</i> responsibility: &#8220;<i>you</i> shall help him&#8221;, and &#8220;<i>you</i> shall let it rest&#8221;, etc. (emphasis added)</p>
<p>Anyway, in the next section I hope to examine more thoroughly the arguments that Christians have made in support of government run health care, and hold those views up to the Bible for examination.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On public health care (part 1) by Tobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rod: Those are all very good questions which I will try to cover more thoroughly in either the second or third post on the issue. I think those questions can be summarized into a general question of: Who &lt;i&gt;exactly&lt;/i&gt; are the &quot;poor&quot;, and how &lt;i&gt;exactly&lt;/i&gt; are we to help them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rod: Those are all very good questions which I will try to cover more thoroughly in either the second or third post on the issue. I think those questions can be summarized into a general question of: Who <i>exactly</i> are the &#8220;poor&#8221;, and how <i>exactly</i> are we to help them?</p>
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		<title>Comment on On public health care (part 1) by Abraham Serafino</title>
		<link>http://religiouspolitic.com/16/on-public-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Abraham Serafino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, if you&#039;re going to treat the Bible like a legal document that is applicable to modern-day Gentile governments, then you should treat the laws as, well, laws. I&#039;m not sure whether every specific item in the new health care bill lives up to the Old Testament, but there are clear precedents in scripture for the law to take what belongs to me and appropriate it for the poor. (Lev. 25:35, Ex. 23:11)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, if you&#8217;re going to treat the Bible like a legal document that is applicable to modern-day Gentile governments, then you should treat the laws as, well, laws. I&#8217;m not sure whether every specific item in the new health care bill lives up to the Old Testament, but there are clear precedents in scripture for the law to take what belongs to me and appropriate it for the poor. (Lev. 25:35, Ex. 23:11)</p>
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